[FTL_Ian]

Now here's a consensual "crime" that I bet a LOT of you committed as a young person. Underage drinking. Should we lower the drinking age and save a lot of young people a major hassle?

[Piggybank Cop]

No and we should not lower our standards here.

[OffDuty]

Heres my idea.

Lower the legal drinking age to 16 or 18, BUT then we should increase the age requirement to get a drivers license to 21. So it would be your trade off. You want to get drunk under 21? Okay fine. But no driving then until you have had a while to get it out of your system.

What you all say?

[bufford408]

Originally Posted by 1sgkelly

No and we should not lower our standards here.

+1

[Piggybank Cop]

How about if you have a military Id yes; no ID no.

And if you’re a card carrying whatever you guys are not here.

Nothing personal just business.

[TXCharlie]

I think we should lower the drinking age to 15...

Then put Ian's mother, daughter, and grandmother in the car with the drunk-ass 15-year-old.

[Iron Man]

If you are old enough to die for your country, no reason you should not be able to have a beer.

[Copper51]

Originally Posted by Iron Man

If you are old enough to die for your country, no reason you should not be able to have a beer.

I agree. If you're in the military then you can drink. Otherwise leave it as it is.

[Roses]

Originally Posted by TXCharlie

Then put Ian's mother, daughter, and grandmother in the car with the drunk-ass 15-year-old.

Why the women in his life?

[kay88]

Originally Posted by OffDuty

Heres my idea.

Lower the legal drinking age to 16 or 18, BUT then we should increase the age requirement to get a drivers license to 21. So it would be your trade off. You want to get drunk under 21? Okay fine. But no driving then until you have had a while to get it out of your system.

What you all say?

I think it's a good idea to learn to drink before you learn to drive. Then you might learn some responsibility. However, I don't think that the transition would be smooth at all. In fact, i think that they would end up reverting back to the 21 to drink and 16 to drive on your own type deal.

[OffDuty]

........hence my point.

[Iron Man]

Originally Posted by kay88

I think it's a good idea to learn to drink before you learn to drive. Then you might learn some responsibility. However, I don't think that the transition would be smooth at all. In fact, i think that they would end up reverting back to the 21 to drink and 16 to drive on your own type deal.

That's the worst excuse I have ever heard. people in their 80s have been arrested for DWI. Are they ANY more responsable then a 18 yo with a DWI?

I could drink when I was 18.

[Iron Man]

Originally Posted by Copper51

I agree. If you're in the military then you can drink. Otherwise leave it as it is.

So military members will drink more responsibly, won't do things stupid while under the influence and won't get DWI's?

[Iron Man]

The "Eliminate it entirely, let bars and stores decide who to sell to. "

"Would" take the curiosity out of alcohol and if you could buy it just like Coca-Cola you would eliminate the "forbidden fruit" aspect to alcohol consumption.

So I want to change my vote to that selection after thinking about it more.

If your kids are consuming alcohol and you don't want them to, that should be a parenting issue, not a government one. Just like smoking.

[Copper51]

When anyone drinks, there is always the possibility of doing something stupid. They won't be anymore responsible than a 21 yo on their B-day. I was just thinking that being in the military carries a little more responsibility than average joe citizen. If a person signs up to put there lives on the line, maybe they should be able to tip one back with their buddies.

[Iron Man]

Originally Posted by Copper51

When anyone drinks, there is always the possibility of doing something stupid. They won't be anymore responsible than a 21 yo on their B-day. I was just thinking that being in the military carries a little more responsibility than average joe citizen. If a person signs up to put there lives on the line, maybe they should be able to tip one back with their buddies.

Absolutely. It takes a lot to sign those papers and it shows a lot of personal maturity. Also the service helps people grow up.

[BEK]

hahahahahahahahahaha yes lower the drinking age i havent been to enough underage drinking fatals. I am getting tempted to close every law hating thread you hippy punks open

[Iron Man]

BEK, they would not have been any better with a 21 YO behind the wheel. The fact you have been on enough underage drinking fatals shows you the drinking age is not perventing young people from drinking and driving as it is.

While I HATE to agree with anything these pukes say...

[Iron Man]

These are people in the area I live in that have been arrested for DWI this year.




Juvenile, 17, Of Cheltenham, By Tfc L. Hewitt On 05/03/06

Larry Dale Wriser, 46, Of Angeltown, Tx, By Tpr. A. Kolle On 05/06/06

H Ward Plummer, 56, Of Laurel, By Tfc J. Edelen On 05/06/06


Michael M. Allen, 26, Huntingtown, By Tpr Stein On 04-27-06/ 2:05 Am

Chauncy P. Shields, 26, Lusby, By Tfc Whipp On 04-28-06/ 2:00 Am

Victor S. Robertson, Jr., 52, Lusby, By Tfc Slifer On 04-28-06/ 3:03 Pm

Jesse L. J. Sandy, 21, Mechanicsville, By Tfc Whipp On 04-29-06/ 1:11 Am

Eric D. Howard, 40, Martinsburg, Wv, By Tfc Johns On 04-29-06/ 6:16 Pm

Randall A. Smalley, 46, Huntingtown, By Tpr Ewig On 04-29-06/ 7:34 Pm

Dwain A. Bowen, 51, Huntingtown, By Tfc Whipp On 04-30-06/ 2:15 Am

John A. Finnigan, 35, Washington, Dc, By Tpr Ewig On 04-30-06/10:37 Pm

James E. Solkowski, 28, Chesapeake Beach, By Tpr Stein On 05-01-06/ 2:45 Am

Richard T. Elliott, 27, Broomes Island, By Tfc Huber On 05-01-06/ 8:30 Pm

Andrew J. Kulp, 36, Chesapeake Beach, By Tpr Bigham On 05-02-06/ 9:53 Pm

Jeffrey P. Lewis, 23, Great Mills, By Tpr Stein On 05-03-06/ 1:29 Am

Turner, Andrew Marshall, 22 On 5/2/2006 At 3:21 A.M. By Dep. Walker Of Brandywine

Butler, Lawrence Edward, 54 On 5/2/2006 At 12:48 A.M. By Dep. Kile Of Bryantown

Hook, Alice Marie, 28 On 5/2/2006 At 11:19 P.M. By Dep. Walker Of Lexington Park

Drinks, John Russell Sr., 43 On 5/3/2006 At 1:15 A.M. By Dep. Allen Of Lexington Park

Macpherson, David Neil, 26 On 5/4/2006 At 2:30 A.M. By Dep. Cathcart Of Lexington Park

Rodrigues, Brian Phillip, 22 On 5/4/2006 At 12:01 A.M. By Dep. George Of Mechanicsville

Coppage, Sean Richard, 21 On 5/4/2006 At 6:17 P.M. By Dep. Rishel Of Lusby

Corley, Sharine Ronsine, 25 On 5/5/2006 At 2:21 A.M. By Dep. Gill Of Lexington Park

Stauffer, George Neal, 23 On 5/5/2006 At 12:01 A.M. By Dep. Harrison Of Mechanicsville

Meador, Ronald Douglas Iii, 29 On 5/6/2006 At 12:38 A.M. By Dfc. Trossbach Of Mechanicsville

Haynes, Dolores Melva, 58 On 5/6/2006 At 4:58 P.M. By Dep. Muller Of Hughesville

Garcia, Antonio Vazquez, 43 On 5/7/2006 At 12:41 A.M. By Dep. Goff Of Richmond, Va

Holton, Adam Terrell, 39 On 5/7/2006 At 2:45 A.M. By Dep. Harrison Of Clinton

Downs, Bryan William, 32 On 5/8/2006 At 1:35 A.M. By Dfc. Trossbach Of Mechanicsville


Wayne Kenneth Johnson Jr., 34, Of Waldorf On March 4, 2006 By Pfcr. Brown

Ronald Tyson Brown, 64, Of Waldorf On March 5, 2006 By Officer W.Halt

Micheal Patrick Dunn, 51, Of Waldorf On March 5, 2006 By Officer J. Viano

Bradley Louis Pierce, 23, Of Laplata On March 5, 2006 By Officer J. Richards

George Wilson Ryce, 64, Of Indian Head On March 7, 2006 By Officer P. Kirk

David Premier Struthers, 23, Of Clinton On March 8, 2006 By Officer R. Kimble

Charles Emitt Petterson, 35, Of Fort Washington On March 11, 2006 By Officer D. Sauve

Kenneth James Smith, 25, Of Marbury On March 11, 2006 By Officer R. Brown

Janseen Lee Webster, 35, Of Goldvein On March 11, 2006 By Officer D. Sylvestre

Grant Woodrow Baker Jr., 65, Of Indian Head On March 12, 2006 By Officer M. Burrows

Brennan Thomas Pierce, 27, Of Clinton On March 12, 2006 By Officer R. Herbert

Cristian Ivan Rojas, 26, Of Annandale On March 12, 2006 By Officer C. Stufft

Paul Swann Jr., 64, Of Bel Alton On March 12, 2006 By Officer D. Campbell

Donald Eddie Burchette, 55, Of Port Tobacco, March 28, 2006 By Tfc C. Dawson

Nicholas Charles Cusato, 35, Of Hughesville, March 29, 2006 By Tfc L. Graves

Thomas Hugh Cameron, 36, Of Indian Head, March 31, 2006 By Tpr. C. Dawson

James Patrick Broderick, 28, Of Waldorf, March 31, 2006 By Tpr. A. Kolle

Admian Louis Corbin, 36, Of New Carrollton, April 2, 2006 By Tfc S. Johnson


Larry Allen Sturgill, 23, Of Lexington Park On March 30, 2006 3:38 Am By Sdfc. Butler

Christopher David Cole, 18, Of Hollywood On March 30, 2006 11:22 Pm By Sdfc. Somerville

Charles Huston Boone Jr, 46, Of Callaway On March 31, 2006 12:36 Am By Dfc. Moritz

Terrill Anthony Terry, 35, Of Bryans Road On March 29, 2006 At 10:18 P.M. By Dep. Kile

Rice, Jedediah James, 24, Of Indian Head By Officer R. Snyder On 04/29/06

Park, Seung Hak, 70, Of Waldorf By Officer P. Kirk On 04/30/06

Chase, Vincente Edward, 38, Of Waldorf By Officer J. Walter On 05/02/06

Soria, Marcel Aparicio, 29, Of Waldorf By Officer W. Saunders On 05/03/06

Mingo, Sherrille Lashan Purvis, 37 Of New Carrollton By Officer J. Long, Jr. On 05/04/06

Ndapu, Nopeple Gerard, 37, Of Washington Dc By Officer N. Day On 05/04/06

Carr, Jeremy Michael, 18, Dep. Kile Of Mechanicsville 5/4/2006 12:50 A.M.

Reynolds, William Leon Jr., 39, Of Leonardtown By Dfc. Earle 5/4/2006 1:08 A.M.

Dipasquale, Ryan Marcus, 21, Of Joppa By Dep. Kile On 5/7/2006 2:29 A.M.

White, Raymond Dennis, 57, Of St. Inigoes Bydep. Kile On 5/6/2006 10:18 P.M.

O’connor, Mark Lee, 38, Of Callaway By Dep. Kile On 5/6/2006 12:03 A.M.

Gelfand, Arnold Nmn, 40, Of Leonardtown By Dep. Carberry On 5/9/2006 9:53 P.M.

Vance, Randall Ray Jr., 21, Of Mechanicsville By Dfc. Smolarsky On 5/12/2006 3:53 A.M.

Louis, Wayne Marcell Sr., 46, Of Great Mills By Dep. Kile On 5/10/2006 11:55 P.M.

Brooks, Aaron Hayden, 42, Of Lusby By Dfc. Young On 13-May 12:30 A.M.

Johnson, Matthew Joseph, 25, Of Great Mills By Dep. Lacey On 5/13/2006 3:23 A.M.

Norris Leon Savoy, 46, Of Aquasco On 5/12/06 By Tfc A. J. Rossignol

Bonnie Marie Kangas, 52, Of St. Inigoes On 5/12/06 By Tfc J. L. Linger

Clifton Curtis Gross, Jr., 26, Of Lusby On 5/13/06 By Tfc M. W. Laney

Gerald Leroy Tuck, 41, Of Hollywood On 5/13/06 By Tfc L. N. Nims

Alvie Gordon Johnson, 43, Of Waldorf On 5/13/06 By Tfc J. L. Linger

William James Kolton, 41, Of Valley Lee On 5/14/06 By Tpr. K. M. Shughart

John Carroll Norris, 58, Of Mechanicsville On 5/14/06 By Tfc J. L. Linger

Timothy Gareth Mackall, 42, Of Barstow On 5/16/06 By Tfc M. W. Laney

Somerville, Thomas Daniel Jr., 45, Of Lexington Park On 5/19/2006 At 11:28 P.M. By Sdfc. Yingling

Terry, Walter Willie, 37, Of California On 5/24/2006 At 7:36 P.M. By Dep. Goff
Bowman, Mark Alan, 47, Of Clements On 5/25/2006 At 12:43 A.M. By Dep. Byrd

Bradburn, Robert Michael, 22, Of Lexington Park On 5/28/2006 At 3:01 A.M. By Dfc. Trossbach

Wood, Dana Eugene, 40, Of Mechanicsville On 5/28/2006 At 11:35 P.M. By Dep. Meyer

Kennedy, William Obrian, 27, Of Lusby On 5/29/2006 At 2:59 A.M. By Dep. Faulkner
Dolinger, Raymond Blaine, 25, Of California On 5/29/2006 At 12:30 A.M. By Dfc. Smolarsky

Courtney, Anita Renee, 22, Of Leonardtown On 5/29/2006 At 1:09 A.M By Dep. Stone

Arnold, Harry Lincoln Jr, 61, 05/13/06 Of Bryans Road By Officer M. Tyner
Gray, Derrick Anthony, 47, On 05/13/06 Of Indian Head By Cpl. R. Cadrette
Malcolm, Aundre Miguel, 28, On 05/13/06 Of Upper Marlboro By Officer A. St. Germain

Horan, Steven Michael, 40, On 05/14/06 Of Waldorf By Officer D. Almassy
Morgan, Charles Richard, 32, On 05/14/06 Of Indian Head By Officer M. Tyner
Thomas, Karen Vanessa, 39, On 05/14/06 Of Waldorf By Officer A. Celia
West, Frank Russell, 30, On 05/14/06 Of Washington By Officer J. Walter
Ford, John Henry Jr, 49, On 05/15/06 Of Marbury By Officer C. Wimberly
Pryer, Vernon Ledmon, 48, On 05/15/06 Of Bowie By Officer R. Kimble
Baucum, Joshua Michael, 26, On 05/16/06 Of Waldorf By Officer R. Kimble
Toye, Kenneth Jerome, 33, On 05/16/06 Of Waldorf By Officer J. Long, Jr.
Hoagland, Jeffrey Earl, 23, On 05/19/06 Of Upper Marlboro By Officer D. Major
Palacios, Rene Mauricio, 25, On 05/19/06 Of Waldorf By Officer L. Payne
Ream, Michael John, 33, On 05/19/06 Of Nanjemoy By Officer P. Mann

John W. Cusick, 22, Of Mechanicsville On 05-18-06 At 2:53 Am By Tfc Lass
Sylvester R. Phillips, 59, Of Lusby On 05-19-06 At 10:46 Pm By Tpr Stein
Larry A. Thompson, 18, Of Mechanicsville On 05-20-06 At 1:23 Am By Tfc Bowling
Mark S. Dale, 50, Of Mechanicsville On 05-20-06 At 9:20 Pm By Tfc Huber
Matthew A. Robertson, 41, Of Lusby On 05-21-06 At 9:45 Pm By Tpr Stein
Leona C. Hearn, 37, Of Lusby On 05-21-06 At 9:45 Pm By Tpr Stern

SOMERVILLE, THOMAS DANIEL JR., 45, of LEXINGTON PARK on 5/19/2006 at 11:28 P.M. by SDFC. YINGLING

TERRY, WALTER WILLIE, 37, of CALIFORNIA on 5/24/2006 at 7:36 P.M. by DEP. GOFF

BOWMAN, MARK ALAN, 47, of CLEMENTS on 5/25/2006 at 12:43 A.M. by DEP. BYRD

BRADBURN, ROBERT MICHAEL, 22, of LEXINGTON PARK on 5/28/2006 at 3:01 A.M. by DFC. TROSSBACH

WOOD, DANA EUGENE, 40, of MECHANICSVILLE on 5/28/2006 at 11:35 P.M. by DEP. MEYER

KENNEDY, WILLIAM OBRIAN, 27, of LUSBY on 5/29/2006 at 2:59 A.M. by DEP. FAULKNER

DOLINGER, RAYMOND BLAINE, 25, of CALIFORNIA on 5/29/2006 at 12:30 A.M. by DFC. SMOLARSKY

COURTNEY, ANITA RENEE, 22, of LEONARDTOWN on 5/29/2006 at 1:09 A.M by DEP. STONE


Now looking at those numbers there are by no means a lot of people under 21 on that list. Are ANY of these people over 21 more responsable then the people under 21 on this list?

To be fair, minors can not be on this list legally due to the fact its illegal to post a minors name. So there is no way to tell the amount of those under 18 because I don't have access to that information, but do you think that number is significantly over the people under 21 listed here? (One minor was listed so they may be included in the published DWI list which makes my point void. but I dont think the S.O.'s in the tri county area include them only MSP.

The Full list is here http://www.stmarystoday.com/2006DWI's.htm

[TheOldRhino]

Originally Posted by FTL_Ian

Now here's a consensual "crime" that I bet a LOT of you committed as a young person. Underage drinking. Should we lower the drinking age and save a lot of young people a major hassle?

Nope. If you're stupid enough to underage drink, then you deserve to be "hassled"- by the police if not your parents or peers.

Many studies have shown that in many young adults, the brain is still developing as far as your mid-20s.

I think young adults, before they are old enough to drink, understand the importance of moderation. The 18-21 year gap will give the chance to see their older friends drink and see what happens when you do drink too much.

I've seen too many kids die of alcohol poisoning to change my position on this particular issue.