[Motorwaycop]

BRITAIN was officially named Europe’s most violent nation last night.

We also suffer more violence than people in the US or even SOUTH AFRICA, figures show.
A shocking 2,034 per 100,000 people suffer violent crime in the UK, compared to 466 in America and 1,609 in troublespot South Africa.
Britain’s damning figures far outstrip those of second-worst EU country — Austria, with 1,677 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
And the UK rate has increased by a shocking 77 per cent since 1998.
The numbers were released by the European Commission.
They also tell how Britain has the second highest OVERALL crime rate in the EU.
Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: “This is a real damning indictment of this Government’s comprehensive failure to tackle the deep-rooted social problems in our society, and the knock-on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.”

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Britain also has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
But overall we came 13th worst in our rate for murders. Lithuania topped the list, followed by Estonia and Latvia.
The figures, recording crime in 2007, also show the UK has the fifth-highest robbery rate in the EU, and the fourth-highest burglary rate.
We have TWICE as many burglaries as Germany or France.
The country with the lowest rate of violent crime was Romania, with just 32 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
But experts claim Romania as well as Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey — all at the bottom of the list — have different ways of recording crime.

At least we're good at something!

N.B The only reason Romania has the lowest rate is because all their bloody criminals are living here!!!!

[Captain America]

Boy, you people are dangerous , I'm glad our forefathers had the wisdom and insight to declare our independence and form the peaceful Utopia we live in today. Seriously though , I would be interested in seeing how much of those reported crimes were committed by illegal immigrants as opposed to British citizens and compare it to our percentage of illegal immigrant committed crimes.

[Motorwaycop]

Strangely one of the reasons we may have the worst figures is because we are the most honest at recording them.
Also in alot of other european countries there is no point reporting anything to the police as they are even worse than us at detecting/investigating the crime.
As for the Illegal immigrants point, well from my experience at the moment, most violent crime is down to alcohol fueled friday night fights ouside the pubs and clubs and following domestic disputes(again alcohol being the biggest factor)

[maclean]

That gun control works out great, eh?

[121Traffic]

Originally Posted by maclean

That gun control works out great, eh?

LMAO!

[ChesCopPodz]

Those numbers can't possibly be right. Britain got rid of their guns. The crime rate should have dropped almost to nothing.

Next you'll be telling me that Australia's crime rate is going up too......oh wait.

[pgg]

Originally Posted by ChesCopPodz

Those numbers can't possibly be right. Britain got rid of their guns. The crime rate should have dropped almost to nothing.

Next you'll be telling me that Australia's crime rate is going up too......oh wait.

[Standard Dave]

Originally Posted by maclean

That gun control works out great, eh?

Most of the violence is domestic or alcohol related, I don't see firearms being much use in those circumstances.

Alcohol related violence in the UK like some eastern european nations is part of the culture for a part of the population. Like football hooliganism it's part of their weekend.

[Odd]

How/when/why did this hooliganism arise? I'd like to read a British perspective without it being an America vs Britain contrast. We certainly have no lack of alcohol at sporting events.

[Standard Dave]

Originally Posted by Odd

How/when/why did this hooliganism arise? I'd like to read a British perspective without it being an America vs Britain contrast. We certainly have no lack of alcohol at sporting events.

There is loads of alcohol at Rugby, hockey and cricket matches but only very limited disorder.

Football hooliganism is almost exclusively linked to Football / soccer with a small over spill into boxing where many of the same groups follow fighters from their local town and meet with others doing the same.

It is a bizarre and a form of tribal territorialism, they gather in large groups with identifiable leaders who are good at fighting, organisation or both and arrange to meet groups from the opposing team to fight in public places. It is like inter area violence that ever officer who works in a big town or city would encounter but they often go for a pint afterwards or when the national teams play different groups will join together to fight groups from the other country.

I put it down to a lack of excitment in their everyday life or some form of inadequacy in their own self but the problem and reasons are more wide ranging that those two simple explanations.

[Ducky]

Interesting. So you guys basically have fans that organized themselves into gangs, and follow their teams around. Then they're willing to bring violence to the table against the other teams fans, all under the cover of sportsmanship.

We have rivalries here, and even some households are split, but it doesn't keep them from sitting at the same table after the game's over. Sounds like there needs to be Xanax added to certain people's drinking water.

[Xiphos]

While I agree that the right of self defense, up to and including use of firearms, is critical to a peaceful society there's something else big going on here.

If you read the blogs by cops in England you get a much clearer idea of what's happening to law enforcement.

POLICE INSPECTOR BLOG

The Policeman's Blog

The Duty Sgt

Law enforcement there has been completely bogged down with ridiculous bureaucracy. What is a simple shoplifting arrest that takes me 30 minutes can take hours and hours there. I can't believe how badly they are bogged down with "targets" and meaningless expectations that have nothing to do with solving crime and punishing criminals. Add all that to a judiciary that is loathe to lock up criminals, and you have offenders running loose at will in the community.

[Motorwaycop]

Britain is till to a degree a clash of "class"culture.
Football is, for want of a better word, a "working" mans sport. Alcohol plays some part in the violence but it is almost an accepted way of life that after a night out on the beer you have a fight.
Other sports such as rugby and cricket are much more middle/upper class with a different attitude to drinking and its seems, a different reaction.
I agree with Dave our violent offences are not massively affected by gun control.
In my near 28yr service many things have changed, firearms availabilty is not really one of them. The availability and relative increse in affluence have meant younger people consuming more alcohol for longer than ever before.
Couple that with a decline in respect for any authority, law enforcement, parental etc etc as well as what seems to many of us an innefective court system and I think that sheds more light on the figures.
The willingness of everyone in upper ranks to produce reems of reports and figures doesn't help either.

[maclean]

Originally Posted by Standard Dave

Most of the violence is domestic or alcohol related, I don't see firearms being much use in those circumstances.

Alcohol related violence in the UK like some eastern european nations is part of the culture for a part of the population. Like football hooliganism it's part of their weekend.

We realize that, it is sort of an in joke for those who understand violence has little to do with tools - which is why we laugh at you when you ban knives and refuse to arm your police.

Violence has *nothing* to do with tools - it is permitted to occur by the people.

ETA: Let me also point out that while we laugh at you, we also bleed for you - we see many of the same societal pressures that are presently trying to make us like you.

[Five-0]

Originally Posted by Standard Dave

There is loads of alcohol at Rugby, hockey and cricket matches but only very limited disorder.

Football hooliganism is almost exclusively linked to Football / soccer with a small over spill into boxing where many of the same groups follow fighters from their local town and meet with others doing the same.

It is a bizarre and a form of tribal territorialism, they gather in large groups with identifiable leaders who are good at fighting, organisation or both and arrange to meet groups from the opposing team to fight in public places. It is like inter area violence that ever officer who works in a big town or city would encounter but they often go for a pint afterwards or when the national teams play different groups will join together to fight groups from the other country.

I put it down to a lack of excitment in their everyday life or some form of inadequacy in their own self but the problem and reasons are more wide ranging that those two simple explanations.

So what you are telling me is that if Soccer hooligans came to the U.S. they would be called LSU fans.

[Captain America]

Originally Posted by Five-0

So what you are telling me is that if Soccer hooligans came to the U.S. they would be called LSU fans.

Don't hate on supporters of a championship producing program out of mere jealously , Five-0. Alabama will be off of probation before you know it.

[Five-0]

If you're not cheating you're not trying.

[Jenna]

I'm surprised that Britain still doesn't allow most of its LEOs to carry firearms despite the high crime rate. Hope you all stay safe out there!

[maclean]

Originally Posted by Jenna

I'm surprised that Britain still doesn't allow most of its LEOs to carry firearms despite the high crime rate. Hope you all stay safe out there!

Nuh uh.

Not allow, demand.

There are no consequences for violence when you defang your police - either by plan or program.

There is a lesson in there for us.

[Xiphos]

Met Wiot Police Are Too Wuff POLICE INSPECTOR BLOG


July 7, 2009 by inspectorgadget

And now. from the people who gave us the “Sanctioned Detected Rate” and the “Home Office Counting Rules” i.e those responsible for the same credit being given for the arrest of an 11 year old for throwing cream cakes as for arresting a serial burglar; comes the hindsight ivory tower judgment that:


The Metropolitan Wiot Police Are Too Wuff
In an extraordinary statement which has left the Police Inspector Blog bewildered, the totally unbiased and not-really-posted-here-as-a-bridge-to-my-next-promotion HMIC has said that the Met TSG and other MAST officers who are specifically trained to expect and deal with violence were…. too focused on expecting and dealing with violence.


In Ruralshire Constabulary, I have to confess that the Burglary Squad is too focused on people who break into houses. The Traffic Department are clearly too busy with traffic matters and those dastardly swine in the Child Protection Team are simply too obsessed with protecting children.



Local priorities set by local people = Dog Poo.
Here on F Division, we have taken on board the message that our prime reasons for existing in 2009 are:


1. To be terribly nice to everyone all of the time, especially criminals.
2. To help the local council pick up dog poo.
3. To stop children playing outside and being children.


To achieve all of this we have spent even more of your money employing teams of civilian staff, who constantly drive the public mad by telephoning them over their cornflakes to ask whether the police have been terribly nice, normally nice or not nice at all. We have also diverted the Crime Pattern Analysts away from analysing crime and re-branded them as “Performance Analysts” to count (or should that be ‘weigh’) the amount of dog poo on our streets.


We have also recently changed the way we record calls complaining about children playing outside and generally, well, being children. There now appears to be less of this, but there isn’t really. Someone just changed the input code on the IT system or something. It’s too sad to even look into in detail.


No wonder the lads all lose their rags once they get out and face the potential of a decent riot. If we were criminals, our Key Workers would call it “Projected Anger” and send us on a course.